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- <text id=90TT1645>
- <title>
- June 25, 1990: An Interview With Mandela
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- <history>
- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1990
- June 25, 1990 Who Gives A Hoot?
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- NATION, Page 21
- An Interview with Mandela
- </hdr>
- <body>
- <p> Q. De Klerk seems to put a great deal of stock in your
- leadership. To what extent are you concerned with his political
- survival?
- </p>
- <p> A. We are aware of the problems that he has, especially
- from the right wing and possibly from inside his own party as
- well. What we have done is to appeal to whites to assist De
- Klerk. We are also trying to address the problem of white
- opposition to him. Discussions have already been started with
- influential sectors in the right wing.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What contacts has your organization had with the right
- wing?
- </p>
- <p> A. We don't want to go into those details now because these
- are very delicate negotiations.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Can you say which organizations?
- </p>
- <p> A. We'd rather not. We are dealing with influential
- individuals in the right wing. I don't want to go beyond that,
- except to say that our intention is to mobilize the entire right
- wing to support Mr. De Klerk, to support the peace initiative.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Any success?
- </p>
- <p> A. From the meetings that we've had, it seems as if our
- message for a peaceful solution is very strong.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What would be the danger if De Klerk were removed from
- the party leadership or ousted in the next election?
- </p>
- <p> A. I have no doubt that whatever difficulties he has, he
- will remain in power. The only danger he must try to avoid is
- going back to white voters for any mandate he might like to
- have. The right wing in my view is quite strong. I am saying to
- him that he should act jointly with us in trying to reach a
- negotiated settlement as speedily as possible. Once a nonracial
- constitution is introduced, then everybody will have the vote.
- He will be assured of the vote of the overwhelming majority of
- South Africans. But if he goes for a mandate for whites alone,
- he is in danger.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Why have you not been able to end the fighting in Natal?
- </p>
- <p> A. If it were a question of conflict between Mangosuthu
- Buthelezi's Inkatha [movement] and the A.N.C., we would have
- solved this matter long ago. But my problem is the government,
- because what is happening in Natal is no longer a clash between
- the A.N.C. and Inkatha. The government has taken advantage of
- the clash between the two organizations to crush the A.N.C. and
- eliminate its membership in Natal. I have asked De Klerk the
- simple question, Why has the government failed to suppress that
- violence for more than 4 1/2 years, and when almost 4,000 people
- have died? And De Klerk has never been able to give me a
- satisfactory answer.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Wouldn't it help if you met with Buthelezi? It is an
- important question.
- </p>
- <p> A. It is not important to us. There are six homeland
- leaders in South Africa. We are working with five. What is the
- importance of Buthelezi? I don't see it.
- </p>
- <p>By Scott MacLeod/Rome.
- </p>
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- </body>
- </article>
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